From jericho@dimensional.com Fri Oct 17 06:05:56 1997
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 06:05:39 -0600 (MDT)
From: jericho@dimensional.com
To: hh-chat@lists.secureservers.net
Subject: Re: [HH-CHAT] carolyn, title 18, and you

> Do a Web search on what happened when some hacker broke into the accounts of
> some celebrities on the Well. Why do you suppose that all that celebrity
> email is not up on anyone's public ftp server? Also check out 18 USC
> 2510-2520 and 18 USC 2710-2720.

I DIDN'T BREAK INTO YOUR SERVER TO GET THE EMAIL. *THAT* is the
difference. And quit quoting laws.. I just proved that you don't know what
you are talking about.

> Still, I must admit that jericho is courageous to be willing to be the
> guinea pig for a challenge to the law as enforced in the Well celebrities
> case. Personally I wouldn't be willing to invest the tens of thousands of

What?! Are you saying I broke into techbroker.com? YES OR NO ANSWER.

> would never recover even if I won. Plus which, jericho has just thrown away
> his hope of getting a security clearance or that $200K/year job he boasted
> he could get in computer security if he could avoid arrest for another two
> years. Definitely he has shown the courage of his convictions.

You have absolutely NO clue what you are talking about Carolyn. I do not
have a record, therefore I can get a clearance. I have not broken any
laws. I quoted the law that YOU said I broke, and challenged you.. what do
you do? Return with more laws. You are a piss poor social engineer
Carolyn.

> I just hope that none of you get in over your heads following jericho. The
> objective of Happy Hacker is not to be an uncensored list, but rather to
> exercise some quality control to help people learn hacking basics that won't
> get them in trouble with the law. Of course you people are welcome to run an

Is that why you tell people how to use the 'Ping of Death'? Is that why
you don't give enough guidelines on being safe?

> uncensored list. But you are not welcome to hijack our list, as Jesse has
> done with his giving you instructions on how to post to our  list, to try to
> trick the readers into committing felonies.

He has done no such thing. Quit being slanderous.

> Of course I must also congratulate Jesse for his courage in following his
> convictions on what is right and what is wrong. He threw away the security
> consulting income he could have continued getting from me, income from me

You didn't pay your bill for hosting a simple machine. Get off this crap
about him making more money from you. And you are not the only source of
security consulting work.

> So in conclusion, I do respect jericho and Jesse for their convictions.
> However, I would appreciate it if they would reconsider some basic
> principles of morality, such as attempting to do no harm (I refer to the use
> of this list to libel Bronc Buster), and respecting other people's freedom

Oh.. so you and Erik can libel us all day long. You and he can slander us
all day long. But if someone posts something saying "look at this URL",
you consider that to be libel and tell us not to do it?

> of speech -- my freedom to keep my private email private, and the right of

Don't make it publically available through anonymous FTP and it will stay
private.


You dance around every issue I bring up Carolyn. Quit hiding.