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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 17:19:46 -0600 (MDT)
From: jericho@dimensional.com
To: Haxorchick@aol.com
Cc: dc-stuff@dis.org
Subject: Re: Happy Hacker (and more slander from Meinel)

> If you guys want the FREE service of receiving the DC-stuff list, Happy
> Hacker Digest or any hacker list, the least you can do is get sufficiently
> educated in computer security to recognize the expense and effort the
> managers of these lists must put into keeping them in operation despite
> incessant attacks.

Gee Carolyn, in my spare time I think that I have adequately secured my
system from remote attack. Wouldn't you agree?

> For example, I was seriously irritated by Damien Sorder^Òs talk at Def Con
> this year where he gloated over the DC-stuff list getting hacked. Of course

If we were at defcon, you would have been squirted for misquoting me.

I never gloated over the dc-stuff mail list being hacked. Plain and
simple. This is you resorting to your slander AGAIN. I did somewhat mock
dis.org for being hacked since Shipley is a "security expert", nothing
else. I never once mentioned the hacking of this *LIST*, and certainly
never gloated over it.

> for whatever reason, the DC-stuff list was restored from backup last
> Wednesday. Even if it was hacked and rmed, so what. It would say nothing
> whatsoever about Pete Shipley^Òs skills in administering merde.dis.org. In

Sure it does. It speaks volumes. I will be the first to admit sekurity.org
has been hacked... by people with accounts. However, no one has remotely
hacked my system to my knowledge, and it has been attempted by over 500
people now. It may have been hacked and I just don't know about it, but I
doubt it.

> fact, if you know how vulnerable majordomo is, the fact that he has kept this
> list going for almost a year is a major testimony to Pete^Òs skills and
> altruism.

Or his lack of desire to upgrade to a more secure mailer.

> server on its own T1, well segregated from other boxes that otherwise might
> suffer collateral damage. Instead, Happy Hacker uses the ultimate in computer
> security -- hiding behind a dynamic IP address! 

You call that 'ultimate'? Bah. You compromise functionality for security
just like others.. only difference is, you are willing to trade off more
than most people.