From: Lyger <lyger-attrition.org>
To: arctific@cox.net
Cc: root-attrition.org
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 20:39:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Any chance at getting my pilferred CISSP contact information updated?


If you're implying that "we" (attrition.org) cracked anything, that is not
the case.  Old, old stuff... more details can be found here:

http://attrition.org/postal/z/037/1054.html

Like that page says, we've honored requests to remove information before,
but haven't ever received one to change information (to my knowledge
anyway).  Maybe you're on to something there... ;)

Lyger

From: Lyger <lyger-attrition.org>
To: Don Turnblade <arctific@cox.net>
Cc: "root-attrition.org" <root-attrition.org>
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 11:19:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Any chance at getting my pilferred CISSP contact information updated?


Don,

I don't really care what you care about, and had you kept a polite tone,
your request might have been honored.  CISSPs barking orders really
doesn't get much done around these parts.

Take care,

Lyger

From: Lyger <lyger-attrition.org>
To: Don Turnblade <arctific@cox.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:20:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Any chance at getting my pilferred CISSP contact information updated?


Don,

Still don't care.

Lyger

From: Lyger <lyger-attrition.org>
To: Don Turnblade <arctific@cox.net>
Bcc: security curmudgeon <jericho-attrition.org>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:04:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Any chance at getting my pilferred CISSP contact information updated?


Don,

See below, your words: "Either update or delete".  That comes off as an
order.  My words were "had you kept a polite tone, your request might have
been honored".  That still holds true, yet instead, you opt to talk about
"professionalism", where this is not a professional situation or
relationship.  How about this: knock it off with the pseudo-intellectual
babble and veiled threats, just use simple words, and politely ask to have
the information removed?  As you'll see from my first reply to your
emails, I was neither rude, nor demanding, and even made a little
winky-face at the end, which was meant to imply a sense of humor about the
situation.  Why don't you try the same tact and see if just maybe if you
might get what you want without dragging non-sequitors into the equation?

Lyger

From: Lyger <lyger-attrition.org>
To: Don Turnblade <arctific@cox.net>
Bcc: security curmudgeon <jericho-attrition.org>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:44:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Any chance at getting my pilferred CISSP contact information updated?


Don,

If you're meaning that you unintentionally injected a tone into the
conversation, that's understood.  If you want to leave comments like "you
would be a legally compelled responder" out of things, that would be fine
as well.  And as I mentioned before, if you can make a polite request to
have to information removed or redacted, with no extra hyperbole or wasted
words, then your request may be honored.  Try imagining that we're hanging
out watching the Packers-Seahawks game, and you say:

"Hey, dude... about that CISSP page, think you can take my stuff off?"

I may say:

"Yeah.  Want to grab me a beer while I do that?"

Easy is as easy does.

Lyger

From: Lyger <lyger-attrition.org>
To: Don Turnblade <arctific@cox.net>
Bcc: security curmudgeon <jericho-attrition.org>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 21:07:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Any chance at getting my pilferred CISSP contact information updated?


What you fail to understand is that your "request" to "keep our site (sic)
relevant" was indeed taken as rude, and we have offered to work with you
on the condition that you tone down your bluster.  What you also seem to
fail to understand is that the list in question is over 7 years old, and
we are under no obligation to keep it "updated" since it was taken at a
single point in time and we neither express nor imply any warranty to make
sure that the information is kept current.  If you can provide any case
law that shows that your name and/or contact information on that page is
posted illegally, please do so.

If you want to make things easier, just ask politely to have your
information removed or redacted, which is something you have not yet done.
It's really that simple.